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Crunch may drive Ford to sell Volvo to BMW

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O masina se vinde sau nu, nu numai datorita motoarelor, ci si a designului, calitatii constructiei, nivelului de echipare, si know-how-ului incorporat, etc.

Ce spui tu cum ca Rover nu se vinde datorita motoarelor BMW...  ???

Sa stii ca si BMW-urile au "motoarele grozave BMW", si se vand foarte bine in UK. Sa stii ca si Mini are aceleasi "motoare grozave BMW" si se vand exceptional de bine in UK :D

Poate daca BMW se implica si in partea de design, de identitate de marca, poate mai indreptau busuiocul...

Insa nu au facut-o, si astfel, daca tu vezi aici o bila neagra, eu vad una naucitor de alba;D

De ce? Pentru ca, revenind la titlul topicului, daca BMW cumpara Volvo, nu vreau sa isi bage nasul in identitatea de marca. Vreau ca Volvo sa ramana Volvo, nu sa se transforme in BMW.

Cat despre corectitudinea preluarilor facute de chinezi, nu vad ce vina are BMW aici. Ei nu au vandut nimic astora. MG a trecut de la BMW la administratia UK si de acolo la chinezi, iar Land Rover a fost vandut de catre Ford indienilor.

Deci Ford este cel care nu are nici o problema in a vinde marci de traditie si prestigiu unor firme obscure. Si aici, noi astia carora ne place Volvo, avem o mare problema legata de viitor. Daca tu votezi negativ la preluarea BMW, e dreptul tau; insa iti asumi faptul ca ceilalti posibili preluatori sunt: Tata Motors, Chery, Geely, Great Wall Motor, Nanjing, Hafei, Zhongxing, Brilliance China, etc.

Si daca speri ca Ford nu va si atat de tampit sa vanda chinezilor, ei bine... vezi Land Rover, vezi Jaguar. Nu ii intereseaza decat cine da banu'.

Peace!  ;)

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partea nasoala e ca daca nu ne ia nimeni (SERIOS) se duce dracu' calitatea VOLVO.

sint urmatorii producatori de masini :

nemti, italieni,francezi, cehi, suedezi, si altii neimportanti din europa

2,3 din state.

restul NU CONTEAZA.

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Suntem prea "mici" pt. a cunoaste intregul. Totul pana acum este o simpla supozitie a fiecaruia. Ne exercitam dreptul de a afirma liber un lucru si asta ne impinge spre afirmatii. Daca Volvo se vinde unei multinationale din Ucraina si vor spune ca asta este solutia cea mai buna si vin si cu programe de marketing fezabile? Sunt convins ca 95% vor fi "pentru".

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...cand un lucru sau o companie incepe sa plece din mana in mana... e clar ca se alege praful si nimeni nu e de vina.  ???

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La fel cum Porsche a cumparat VAG si a spus raspicat ca vrea sa schimbe calitatea produselor VW, s-au referit clar la VW care au ajuns sa fie oaia neagra a concernului VAG. De ani de zile se stie ca Octavia este mai fiabila decit Golful desi au aceiasi platforma si impart aceleasi piese DAR muncitoru german care este turc de fapt isi baga picioarele si ingineru care probabil tot turc este da OK-ul cand iese un Golf de pe poarta.

Deci se poate ca si o marca de prestigiu cum e VW sa dea cu bata in balta si sa fie cumparati de unii care fac o singura masina cu mai multe denumiri cum este Porsche de fapt .

BMW este cea mai buna alegere pt Volvo, desi este stiut faptul ca FORD va vinde celui care plateste mai bine iar daca chinezii ar lua Volvo nu stiu cat de rau ar fii DAR in acelasi timp nu stiu cat de bine ar fii. Chinezii sunt renumiti pt rabatul la calitate pe care il fac in orice, sunt capabili sa faca o copie perfecta de VEYRON care sa bata originalul dar o sa iasa mai scump decit originalul ceea ce este inacceptabil pt chinezi. Ei stiu sa copieze dar cel mai bine cunosc termenul : CUT COST.

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pe aici prin tara lor se vb foarte mult de vanzarea lui Volvo catre China-town, sa speram ca totusi se redreseaza p-ta economica. Volvo numai chinez nu poa sa fie, japonez suuper dar nu chinez  ::)

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Din cate am vazut la TOP GEAR, chinezii care au cumparat MG chiar vor sa investeasca in cercetare si in continuare vor sa produca masini sport, nu vor sa schimbe deloc politica MG. Eu zic ca e bine, problema este ca intr-o perioada de criza este greu sa rezisti, sincer eu sper ca Volvo sa reziste dar economistul din mine crede ca firme ca Volvo, Chrysler nu o sa reziste crizei .

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Multe nu vor mai fi la fel dupa criza. Si e departe luminita. Eu zic ca in 2012 o sa o vedem...

Macar sa se mentina criza doar la nivel economic. Ca nu suntem deloc bine asezati in coltul asta de lume.

Multe vor fi istorie.

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Credeti ca daca ia BMW-ul Volvo de la Ford e cumva posibil sa se refaca S60R cu motor de M5 de 400 CP?

Ar fi tareeee interesant.

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Sau 400cp :D Daca apesi butonul fermecat ai 507 CP  .

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507 CP reprezinta puterea nativa a V10-ului, nu sunt fortati. Adica nu explodeaza daca mergi cu butonul apasat mai mmult de 30 km, sau chestii de genul asta. Tinerea lui la 400 in modul normal, si eliberarea restului la apasarea butonului M este pur si simplu PR stunt ca sa faca mai dramatica trecerea in modul supersport. ;)

Deci, dupa cate am bagat de seama pana acum, cand vorbesti de puterea unui motor o pui pe aia maxima :D

Altfel poti sa zici ca motorul de M5 are 78 CP. La relanti.  :D

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Mie mi-a placut prezentarea facuta de Clarkson, a fost geniala :D

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sa va mai tin la curent [move](continuu)[/move]

************************Ford studying possible sale of Volvo

By John Reed in London and Bernard Simon in Toronto

Published: December 1 2008 15:26 | Last updated: December 1 2008 15:26

Ford Motor on Monday said it was re-evaluating its options for its Volvo subsidiary, including “the possible sale†of its lossmaking Swedish premium brand.

The announcement came ahead of Ford’s presentation to Congress on Tuesday alongside General Motors and Chrysler as the three companies make their case for $25bn in federal emergency aid.

Ford said the options for Volvo were in line with “actions Ford is taking to strengthen its balance sheet and ensure it has the resources to implement its product-led transformation plan.â€

Volvo reported a third-quarter loss of $458m and is in the process of laying off about 6,000 workers, or about one-quarter of its staff.

Ford has held talks with Sweden’s government about loan guarantees and other aid for Volvo. GM is seeking government aid for Saab, its own lossmaking Swedish premium marque.

Ford made no immediate comment on whether it was in contact with possible buyers of Volvo, whose largest market is the US, and which has been hit by declining demand for larger vehicles.

The US automaker said that the review would probably “take several months to completeâ€.

“As we conduct this review, we are committed to making the best decision for both Ford and Volvo going forward,†Alan Mulally, Ford’s chief executive, said in a statement.

Selling a car brand, especially a lossmaking one, could prove challenging as global carmakers contend with depressed markets and a contraction of credit.

GM has not yet sent out a sale memorandum for its Hummer brand, which it is seeking to sell, despite plans to do so in October. Several overseas carmakers have said they are not interested in buying it.

Ford, GM and Chrysler have warned that they could run out of cash early next year. Ford’s needs for fresh capital are less urgent than its two Detroit rivals’, but it has still asked for access to the emergency funding facility.

The three companies’ chief executives are due to make their case before a Senate committee on Thursday and a House of Representatives committee on Friday.

They were excoriated by lawmakers at their last appearance 10 days ago for bringing their begging bowls to Washington in their corporate jets.

Lawmakers are likely to seek assurances from Ford and GM that they are building leaner operations, and that US taxpayer-funded aid will not go to subsidise lossmaking operations.

GM is expected to announce that it has plans to dispose of Saab in the long term as part of the business and financial plan it presents to Congress.

The carmakers and their supporters have grown increasingly angry that, as they see it, their industry is being harshly criticised and scrutinised even as the Bush administration and Congress shower hundreds of billions of dollars onto banks and other financial institutions.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

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sa fie oare 2009 ULTIMUL AN in care mai poti cumpara un VOLVO ?

posibil si nasol.

bine ca am apucat unul......

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Uneori e bun un nou inceput.

Volvo nu are cum sa dispara. facem noi o fabrica daca trebuie.  :P

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